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NATALEE HOLLOWAY, DAVE HOLLOWAY, BETH TWITTY "ARUBA IS STUCK ON STUPID BIG TIME": Riehl World View OF HOES,A-HOLES,B***TURDS,SCUMBAGS

NATALEE HOLLOWAY, DAVE HOLLOWAY, BETH TWITTY "ARUBA IS STUCK ON STUPID BIG TIME"

Society in general is getting more pathetic everday.There are so many folks out there that are simply "STUCK ON STUPID".Its damn time that someone put them in their place and show them for what they are.The word is "S T U P I D".I will call it like I see it.I say whats on my mind and you can too.Keep it clean and don't be too mean. I post whatever is on my mind at the time.HATE BLOGS LIKE RWV REFUGESS UNLEASHED, FREEDOM OF BLOGS and other blogs like them are a Disgrace to the Human Race !

Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Riehl World View OF HOES,A-HOLES,B***TURDS,SCUMBAGS

HELLO, SO GLAD YOU COULD STOP BY ! PATHENRY,GAGAL,HONEY ,SOUTHERN BELL, AND THE REST OF YOU LOSERS !




























Riehl World View OF HOES,A-HOLES,B***TURDS,SCUMBAGS
ANOTHER TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF TOLIET SCUM POSTING SHIT 24/7 ABOUT BETH AGAIN OVER AT RWV....MORE TO COME. STAY TUNED.!A GOOD BITCH SLAPPING WOULD DO THEM WELL.!! I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT HONOR ! SCROLL DOWN AND READ, more to come.









SOME POSTINGS FROM THE SCUM AT RWV.

The lies about her character, during the process of a criminal investigation, are inexcusable. JMO
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:19 PM
I wasn't talking about degrees of aceceptable behaviour. I'm talking about this type of nonsense:
"Beth insists, never drank, never had a boyfriend, and never had sex. She is emphatic about this." http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060102roco01?page=2
The "Immaculate Deception", as I refer to it.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM
I might be right, might not to. :>) But I do think that there has to be a mutual connection between Twittys, Alabama, and Aruba....and so far Billy Harbert Jr. Of Birmingham seems a likely candidate. He looks to be around the same age as the other movers and shakers of the AL business world we have learned of...It would seem he would be attending the same social affairs in Birmingham as the others, especially the ubiquitous aunt Marcia. JMO
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:41 PM
"Hootie Call Me, We Can Talk".......IMO, she knew she wasn't kidnapped and that she was on a "binger"...she just MAY have just been wrong on who she thought Natalee was with. IMO
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:04 PM
Junior is a proven liar.
He enjoys the agony he brings Beth.
If he is found innocent of her demise, he was still the reason for leaving a girl in the middle of the night alone on a beach.
He defines the word creep.
He should be horsewhipped for that alone!
Posted by: Ruddy Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Posted by: Ruddy Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Bit a backtrack in that statement...huh? The crime of leaving a young lady alone on a beach. What statute is that? CAD-0530.2005 Let the whipping begin.....some people are into that you know.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
Posted by: ustt Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
Maybe he is being a gentleman by not discussing the details of what she said, ...have you ever thought that is what he meant?
Posted by: pathenry
yeah, and maybe I'm Rudolph and have a red flashing nose............NOT
If he was attempting being a gentleman, he wouldn't have made the comment in the first place ON AIR. And he certainly would have made sure if he had that kind of information, he would have made CERTAIN Natalee's parents knew what he knew.........to help them find their daughter. Any information is what those parents wanted, and still want. At that point forget about niceities -- and there certainly is enough other rude/crude statements out there he has made, that nitty gritty stuff would pale next to the other media releases.
Posted by: ustt Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
It does make you wonder what he didn't say. I doubt if it is really going to be a murder confession though. I believe he was being polite toward Natalee and still answering the questions truthfully. I don't think he was being polite to Beth..and that is understandable. He has offered to speak with the family....but, she wants to hook his testicles up and fry him with another skeeterization. IMO
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:28 PM
Early in the case many of the students as well as the mother of Natalee said there had been a young man hanging out with the group.
That's actually who they were looking for and who they thought Natalee was last seen with.
Joran didn't actually meet Natalee until about that last evening, really about half an hour before her friends last saw her.
Posted by: ruhroh Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:32 PM
Go ahead and believe that if you want. Beth Ann went after JVDS immediately. From the MB statements it was JVDS "hanging" with the students, not GVC.
There are just too many statements out there showing JVDS was IT from the second Beth Ann stepped on the island of Aruba. No spin can change that...
Posted by: sensible1 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:39 PM
I laughed like hell today when Greta said she was being cautious because this case has been rife with rumors. She said that people have said so many things over and over that people believe it to be the truth.
This...coming from the Dead Agent specialist herself. As Beth likes to say...."Thank you, Greeetaaaaa".
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:01 PM
Posted by: kat Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:15 PM
"Someone is 'stuck on stupid.'"
Posted by: sensible1 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:19 PM
I have not seen one shred of proof that Natalee was sexually active before arriving in Aruba. Even if she willingly had sex with hundreds while in Aruba, that doesn't matter. Where is she? People have sex every day and they do not disappear. JMHO
Willingly get into a car with 3 strangers?
++++++++++++++++++
From page 73-74 of Dave's book ~ "Aruba"
"When the bar was closing, the acquaintance went out front to catch a cab with some people he had met from another high school. He said that he noticed that he and Natalee were the last two Mountain Brook students to leave the bar. He had been outside with his three new friends when he saw Natalee exit the bar by herself. She told him that she was looking for someone. He knew from hanging out with her in the bar that she had been drinking, but she was walking without assistance and talking coherently. He offered to have her join him and his friends for the cab ride back to the hotel, but she said no. Instead, she reentered the bar. After about fifteen or twenty minutes, the boy again saw Natalee emerge from Carlos'n Charlie's, but now she was stumbling and needed Deepak's assistance to walk. They walked away, and the acquaintance never saw her again."
"I spoke to a police investigator on one of my trips back to Aruba over the months following Natalee's disappearance, and he told me that, based on the way her acquaintance described her, the drug GHB was probably administered to her. If someone is affected by GHB, the people they are with gain complete control over them. Taking the drug is like flipping a light switch. The person who slips the girl the drug has the control. Then the next day, the girl has no recollection of the events."
++++++++++++++
Posted by: iwabwu Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:26 PM
If he is found innocent of her demise, he was still the reason for leaving a girl in the middle of the night alone on a beach.
He defines the word creep.
He should be horsewhipped for that alone!
Posted by: Ruddy Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
YM that healthy 19 year old woman who was perfectly capable of making a ten minute walk back to her hotel and apparently did? It was totally within her rights, as an adult, to refuse to let him escort her.
Posted by: Honey Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:56 PM
This case has been so agenda driven it is now worthy of being analyzed by a social anthropologist.
Entire 'communities' have been created for the sole purpose of advancing different views on this case...slamming the family and Mountain Brook and promoting the innocence of the suspects or protecting Natalee's good name and slamming the suspects as guilty.
Every piece of evidence is analyzed and used to further whatever agenda...the new suspect was Natalee's 'love interest' and he killed her in a rage [oh really?]...he played soccer with Joran and Joe Tacopina has just lost his mind when he says Joran didnt' know him [doubtful], now there are allegations of 'missing video' bloody t shirts, 'forensic evidence' and more cover up.
While the new suspect is certainly cute enough to be a vacation fling, I can't figure out why, if this was Natalee's love intereste in Aruba did she leave the bar with Joran after talking with him for a half an hour? Oh yeah, she was a ho, that must be it...couldn't be that the vacation love story just doesn't really add up...wouldn't she want to spend her last night with Mr. Blue Eyes?
Until Aruban police prove me wrong, my belief is they are grasping at straws hoping that god takes pity on them and they might finally pull the right one by accident.
I don't think this guy is going to lead anywhere more than Freddie and Jamie did...more suspicions without evidence.
He obviously hasn't confessed anything or we would have heard it.
Posted by: xxx Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Some good points raised in this post. Please Lord can we have a resolution to this case!!
Posted by: Lexy Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:16 PM
No matter who committed this crime especially if multiple people were involved it was only a matter of time before someone slipped up or got cocky.. For some reason people feel the need to brag about their crimes.. And other people feel the need to cover their asses for reasons other people don't understand..
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:00 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Often times "wanna bees" and "hangers on" brag about things that they actually didn't participate in or they "made up" things. Fabrications.
S Croes is a good example. Many many people confess to crimes they didn't actually commit. That's why good LE should insist on more evidence, forensics, and not just accept a confession at face value.
Some people have big mouths and try to act important, especially in the bar scene. Others, just aren't "all there." ;)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:08 PM
Beth lying through her teeth tonight. JMO
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:07 PM
I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:14 PM

Scuba, HI worker, Julia Renfro....trot out 1000 more...does it really matter?
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:18 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Even she is probably wondering what the hell Beth is doing granting an interview this evening.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:19 PM
I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
You are right... Greta isnt buying her story anymore.
Posted by: SouthernBelle Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:20 PM
Even she is probably wondering what the hell Beth is doing granting an interview this evening.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:19 PM
Yep. I think Greta does remember something about the break in to Natalee's room. Beth sure did not want to talk about it.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Greta was hounding her.
Posted by: SouthernBelle Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Does she have a choice? If she is wrong about Joran well all hell is going to break loose..
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Here is a link to scuba's posts on RWV if anyone cares to see what she reported about it. I havent found it yet.
http://tinyurl.com/ksfv4
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
26.....I agree on first reading about the blue eyed guy in one of scuba's posts.....If I recall we were told to keep our thoughts on him,, or something like that.
Posted by: rusti Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:22 PM
Greta was hounding her.
Posted by: SouthernBelle Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
It is about time!
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:22 PM
I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Does she have a choice? If she is wrong about Joran well all hell is going to break loose..
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
I think it is just a matter of time...
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:23 PM
What is Beth lying about tonight?
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:23 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Scuba, HI worker, Julia Renfro....trot out 1000 more...does it really matter?
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:18 PM
It only matters to me because people are still talking about it as if its real and it has something to do with this new arrested guy. I just want to know if there's more to it than base rumor before I spend any more thought on it.
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Probably trying to one-up Dave and go straight for the made-for-tv movie!
Posted by: kat Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Do some research if it is so important to you.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Probably trying to one-up Dave and go straight for the made-for-tv movie!
Posted by: kat Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
I would not doubt that.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
She is going to Akron on Thursday. Alabama on Saturday. She mayed have stayed there for Easter...is it a wiccan holiday? (snicker) The leg must be feeling better.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
She is going to Akron on Thursday. Alabama on Saturday. She mayed have stayed there for Easter...is it a wiccan holiday? (snicker) The leg must be feeling better.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
LOL @ ruhroh
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Scuba's posts on NH chat
http://tinyurl.com/epe3a
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Forgidaboutit....you don't have to mention the subject again.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Botox fill in???
Posted by: SouthernBelle Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Botox fill in???
Posted by: SouthernBelle Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Hate to tell her that it will take more than that...LOL
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Do some research if it is so important to you.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM

I am. I thought someone might want to share what they knew also, but NBD>
Beth can lie all she wants. If the police reports have MB witness statements that say that Natalee was with GVC, it does not matter how many times Beth says different.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
She doesn't like people feeling sorry for her. :>(
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
She doesn't like people feeling sorry for her. :>(
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Yeah right....ROFLMAO
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
Posted by: iwabwu Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
Posted by: iwabwu Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
It's better.
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:36 PM
leg is boney, with meat on it.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:37 PM
Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
I find it very hard to believe that ALE, NFI, FBI, Beth, Art Wood, Dave, Dr. Phil, and all the others could not solve this with regard to this latest development. How is it that JoeT is finding all these things? JMHO
To charge someone with kidnapping in the case of a disappeared person, is my memory correct that the law enforcement must exhaust all other leads? Perhaps he is helping them exhaust all other possibilities? JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:38 PM
They coull not solve it because they were too focused on J2K because of Beth Twitty. Had she not tried to run the investigation, all of this probably would have come out much sooner.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:40 PM
Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
All of the above, pat.
Posted by: gagal_05 Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
I do find it a tad interesting that she seems to be upset at the thought of progess being made. It almost appears as if she doesnt want any further investigation.
Posted by: ruhroh Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
To charge someone with kidnapping in the case of a disappeared person, is my memory correct that the law enforcement must exhaust all other leads? Perhaps he is helping them exhaust all other possibilities? JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:38 PM

Joe T is helping, but maybe not in the way he intended to.
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Joe Tacopina has filed for and received, previously sealed documents and statements, including the statements from Arubans, the Dutch and the fine folks of Mountain Brook, Alabama.
as Beth said: some just needs to"connect the dots"
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Why is Joe T the one making all the statements? Where are Joran's criminal attorneys?
Posted by: ViVi Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
Why would she return there, nothing has developed..YET.
Posted by: Lexy Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:45 PM


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8 Comments:

  • At April 19, 2006 11:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The lies about her character, during the process of a criminal investigation, are inexcusable. JMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:19 PM
    I wasn't talking about degrees of aceceptable behaviour. I'm talking about this type of nonsense:
    "Beth insists, never drank, never had a boyfriend, and never had sex. She is emphatic about this." http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060102roco01?page=2
    The "Immaculate Deception", as I refer to it.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM
    I might be right, might not to. :>) But I do think that there has to be a mutual connection between Twittys, Alabama, and Aruba....and so far Billy Harbert Jr. Of Birmingham seems a likely candidate. He looks to be around the same age as the other movers and shakers of the AL business world we have learned of...It would seem he would be attending the same social affairs in Birmingham as the others, especially the ubiquitous aunt Marcia. JMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:41 PM
    "Hootie Call Me, We Can Talk".......IMO, she knew she wasn't kidnapped and that she was on a "binger"...she just MAY have just been wrong on who she thought Natalee was with. IMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:04 PM
    Junior is a proven liar.
    He enjoys the agony he brings Beth.
    If he is found innocent of her demise, he was still the reason for leaving a girl in the middle of the night alone on a beach.
    He defines the word creep.
    He should be horsewhipped for that alone!
    Posted by: Ruddy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
    Posted by: Ruddy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
    Bit a backtrack in that statement...huh? The crime of leaving a young lady alone on a beach. What statute is that? CAD-0530.2005 Let the whipping begin.....some people are into that you know.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
    Posted by: ustt | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
    Maybe he is being a gentleman by not discussing the details of what she said, ...have you ever thought that is what he meant?
    Posted by: pathenry
    yeah, and maybe I'm Rudolph and have a red flashing nose............NOT
    If he was attempting being a gentleman, he wouldn't have made the comment in the first place ON AIR. And he certainly would have made sure if he had that kind of information, he would have made CERTAIN Natalee's parents knew what he knew.........to help them find their daughter. Any information is what those parents wanted, and still want. At that point forget about niceities -- and there certainly is enough other rude/crude statements out there he has made, that nitty gritty stuff would pale next to the other media releases.
    Posted by: ustt | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:20 PM
    It does make you wonder what he didn't say. I doubt if it is really going to be a murder confession though. I believe he was being polite toward Natalee and still answering the questions truthfully. I don't think he was being polite to Beth..and that is understandable. He has offered to speak with the family....but, she wants to hook his testicles up and fry him with another skeeterization. IMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:28 PM
    Early in the case many of the students as well as the mother of Natalee said there had been a young man hanging out with the group.
    That's actually who they were looking for and who they thought Natalee was last seen with.
    Joran didn't actually meet Natalee until about that last evening, really about half an hour before her friends last saw her.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:32 PM
    Go ahead and believe that if you want. Beth Ann went after JVDS immediately. From the MB statements it was JVDS "hanging" with the students, not GVC.
    There are just too many statements out there showing JVDS was IT from the second Beth Ann stepped on the island of Aruba. No spin can change that...
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:39 PM
    I laughed like hell today when Greta said she was being cautious because this case has been rife with rumors. She said that people have said so many things over and over that people believe it to be the truth.
    This...coming from the Dead Agent specialist herself. As Beth likes to say...."Thank you, Greeetaaaaa".
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:01 PM
    Posted by: kat | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:15 PM
    "Someone is 'stuck on stupid.'"
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:19 PM
    I have not seen one shred of proof that Natalee was sexually active before arriving in Aruba. Even if she willingly had sex with hundreds while in Aruba, that doesn't matter. Where is she? People have sex every day and they do not disappear. JMHO
    Willingly get into a car with 3 strangers?
    ++++++++++++++++++
    From page 73-74 of Dave's book ~ "Aruba"
    "When the bar was closing, the acquaintance went out front to catch a cab with some people he had met from another high school. He said that he noticed that he and Natalee were the last two Mountain Brook students to leave the bar. He had been outside with his three new friends when he saw Natalee exit the bar by herself. She told him that she was looking for someone. He knew from hanging out with her in the bar that she had been drinking, but she was walking without assistance and talking coherently. He offered to have her join him and his friends for the cab ride back to the hotel, but she said no. Instead, she reentered the bar. After about fifteen or twenty minutes, the boy again saw Natalee emerge from Carlos'n Charlie's, but now she was stumbling and needed Deepak's assistance to walk. They walked away, and the acquaintance never saw her again."
    "I spoke to a police investigator on one of my trips back to Aruba over the months following Natalee's disappearance, and he told me that, based on the way her acquaintance described her, the drug GHB was probably administered to her. If someone is affected by GHB, the people they are with gain complete control over them. Taking the drug is like flipping a light switch. The person who slips the girl the drug has the control. Then the next day, the girl has no recollection of the events."
    ++++++++++++++
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:26 PM
    If he is found innocent of her demise, he was still the reason for leaving a girl in the middle of the night alone on a beach.
    He defines the word creep.
    He should be horsewhipped for that alone!
    Posted by: Ruddy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
    YM that healthy 19 year old woman who was perfectly capable of making a ten minute walk back to her hotel and apparently did? It was totally within her rights, as an adult, to refuse to let him escort her.
    Posted by: Honey | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:56 PM
    This case has been so agenda driven it is now worthy of being analyzed by a social anthropologist.
    Entire 'communities' have been created for the sole purpose of advancing different views on this case...slamming the family and Mountain Brook and promoting the innocence of the suspects or protecting Natalee's good name and slamming the suspects as guilty.
    Every piece of evidence is analyzed and used to further whatever agenda...the new suspect was Natalee's 'love interest' and he killed her in a rage [oh really?]...he played soccer with Joran and Joe Tacopina has just lost his mind when he says Joran didnt' know him [doubtful], now there are allegations of 'missing video' bloody t shirts, 'forensic evidence' and more cover up.
    While the new suspect is certainly cute enough to be a vacation fling, I can't figure out why, if this was Natalee's love intereste in Aruba did she leave the bar with Joran after talking with him for a half an hour? Oh yeah, she was a ho, that must be it...couldn't be that the vacation love story just doesn't really add up...wouldn't she want to spend her last night with Mr. Blue Eyes?
    Until Aruban police prove me wrong, my belief is they are grasping at straws hoping that god takes pity on them and they might finally pull the right one by accident.
    I don't think this guy is going to lead anywhere more than Freddie and Jamie did...more suspicions without evidence.
    He obviously hasn't confessed anything or we would have heard it.
    Posted by: xxx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 07:22 PM
    Some good points raised in this post. Please Lord can we have a resolution to this case!!
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:16 PM
    No matter who committed this crime especially if multiple people were involved it was only a matter of time before someone slipped up or got cocky.. For some reason people feel the need to brag about their crimes.. And other people feel the need to cover their asses for reasons other people don't understand..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:00 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    Often times "wanna bees" and "hangers on" brag about things that they actually didn't participate in or they "made up" things. Fabrications.
    S Croes is a good example. Many many people confess to crimes they didn't actually commit. That's why good LE should insist on more evidence, forensics, and not just accept a confession at face value.
    Some people have big mouths and try to act important, especially in the bar scene. Others, just aren't "all there." ;)
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:08 PM
    Beth lying through her teeth tonight. JMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:07 PM
    I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:14 PM

    Scuba, HI worker, Julia Renfro....trot out 1000 more...does it really matter?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:18 PM
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
    Even she is probably wondering what the hell Beth is doing granting an interview this evening.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:19 PM
    I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
    You are right... Greta isnt buying her story anymore.
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:20 PM
    Even she is probably wondering what the hell Beth is doing granting an interview this evening.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:19 PM
    Yep. I think Greta does remember something about the break in to Natalee's room. Beth sure did not want to talk about it.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    Greta was hounding her.
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
    Does she have a choice? If she is wrong about Joran well all hell is going to break loose..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    Here is a link to scuba's posts on RWV if anyone cares to see what she reported about it. I havent found it yet.
    http://tinyurl.com/ksfv4
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    26.....I agree on first reading about the blue eyed guy in one of scuba's posts.....If I recall we were told to keep our thoughts on him,, or something like that.
    Posted by: rusti | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:22 PM
    Greta was hounding her.
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    It is about time!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:22 PM
    I think that at last Greta is starting to wonder about Beth. Beth is lying like hell tonight.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
    Does she have a choice? If she is wrong about Joran well all hell is going to break loose..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM
    I think it is just a matter of time...
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:23 PM
    What is Beth lying about tonight?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:23 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Scuba, HI worker, Julia Renfro....trot out 1000 more...does it really matter?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:18 PM
    It only matters to me because people are still talking about it as if its real and it has something to do with this new arrested guy. I just want to know if there's more to it than base rumor before I spend any more thought on it.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Probably trying to one-up Dave and go straight for the made-for-tv movie!
    Posted by: kat | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
    Do some research if it is so important to you.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Probably trying to one-up Dave and go straight for the made-for-tv movie!
    Posted by: kat | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
    I would not doubt that.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:26 PM
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    She is going to Akron on Thursday. Alabama on Saturday. She mayed have stayed there for Easter...is it a wiccan holiday? (snicker) The leg must be feeling better.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    She is going to Akron on Thursday. Alabama on Saturday. She mayed have stayed there for Easter...is it a wiccan holiday? (snicker) The leg must be feeling better.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
    Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
    LOL @ ruhroh
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
    Scuba's posts on NH chat
    http://tinyurl.com/epe3a
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM
    Forgidaboutit....you don't have to mention the subject again.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Botox fill in???
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
    What the hell is Beth doing in LA?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    Botox fill in???
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM
    Hate to tell her that it will take more than that...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:31 PM
    Do some research if it is so important to you.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:25 PM

    I am. I thought someone might want to share what they knew also, but NBD>
    Beth can lie all she wants. If the police reports have MB witness statements that say that Natalee was with GVC, it does not matter how many times Beth says different.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:32 PM
    Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
    She doesn't like people feeling sorry for her. :>(
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:33 PM
    Anything to stay out of MB. Notice that Greta has yet to ask Beth about her leg...lol
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
    She doesn't like people feeling sorry for her. :>(
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:33 PM
    Yeah right....ROFLMAO
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
    Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
    Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
    It's better.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:36 PM
    leg is boney, with meat on it.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:37 PM
    Anyone know how Beth's leg is?
    I find it very hard to believe that ALE, NFI, FBI, Beth, Art Wood, Dave, Dr. Phil, and all the others could not solve this with regard to this latest development. How is it that JoeT is finding all these things? JMHO
    To charge someone with kidnapping in the case of a disappeared person, is my memory correct that the law enforcement must exhaust all other leads? Perhaps he is helping them exhaust all other possibilities? JMHO
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:38 PM
    They coull not solve it because they were too focused on J2K because of Beth Twitty. Had she not tried to run the investigation, all of this probably would have come out much sooner.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:40 PM
    Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
    All of the above, pat.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
    I do find it a tad interesting that she seems to be upset at the thought of progess being made. It almost appears as if she doesnt want any further investigation.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    To charge someone with kidnapping in the case of a disappeared person, is my memory correct that the law enforcement must exhaust all other leads? Perhaps he is helping them exhaust all other possibilities? JMHO
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:38 PM

    Joe T is helping, but maybe not in the way he intended to.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Joe Tacopina has filed for and received, previously sealed documents and statements, including the statements from Arubans, the Dutch and the fine folks of Mountain Brook, Alabama.
    as Beth said: some just needs to"connect the dots"
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM
    Why is Joe T the one making all the statements? Where are Joran's criminal attorneys?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM
    Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
    Why would she return there, nothing has developed..YET.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:45 PM

     
  • At April 20, 2006 12:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Joe T is helping, but maybe not in the way he intended to.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Could it be that he will use this to dismiss the case in NY? That a more viable suspect has been arrested?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    Anyone find it strange that Mrs. Two ways hasn't summoned the jet to cart her "I will never leave Aruba" arse back to that very island, at this new turn in developments. Not enough cameras there yet? Afraid of another round of questioning? Prior engagements that are far more important?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:41 PM
    I do find it a tad interesting that she seems to be upset at the thought of progess being made. It almost appears as if she doesnt want any further investigation.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    I find it really strange, but then we are speaking of Beth.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    Scuba also said to remember the Taxi cab driver statement.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:35 PM
    You are quite right path.....there was a few mentioned.
    Posted by: rusti | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    Why is Joe T the one making all the statements? Where are Joran's criminal attorneys?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM
    why pay for both? Joran hasnt been charged with a crime. He has been named in a civil suit. At this point, that is where he needs defending.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    I haven't seen any links, has JoeT made his response filing? Is there a link?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:47 PM
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Hi Ruhroh... I'm Belle.. :)
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:47 PM
    I loved it when Joe said that Gee was seen with Natalee despite what Mrs. Twitty just said.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:47 PM
    Joe T is helping, but maybe not in the way he intended to.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Could it be that he will use this to dismiss the case in NY? That a more viable suspect has been arrested?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    What is there to use? No one knows what the guy is saying or if he's connected to Joran or Paul. It may go against Joran in the civil suit. We'll see.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:47 PM
    Damn Vivi, you sound almost like Beth with that last statement.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:48 PM
    Joe T is helping, but maybe not in the way he intended to.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:43 PM
    Could it be that he will use this to dismiss the case in NY? That a more viable suspect has been arrested?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:46 PM

    I think the deadline is the 25th. Nothing yet.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:48 PM
    Didn't the Jetsons dog say "Ruhroh"
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:48 PM
    Joe Tacopina is preparing for civil suit in the United States of America. As far as I know, Joran has no currently scheduled court appearances in Aruba, with regard to a criminal investigation. Joran has not been exonerated as a suspect, but he has been released from detention, with prejudice, with no formal charges ever being filed. I'd say Joe is currently up to bat...but you're the lawyer.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:49 PM
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:47 PM
    well hi there SouthernBelle :)
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:49 PM
    Didn't the Jetsons dog say "Ruhroh"
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:48 PM
    yep...so does Scooby Doo...."RuhRoh Raggy!"
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:50 PM
    Scooby Doo says ruhroh
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:50 PM
    Didn't the Jetsons dog say "Ruhroh"
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:48 PM
    Yeah Astro!!! lol
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:50 PM
    rats right :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    AgentLady Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:42 pm
    Did everyone catch the witness statement from the case saying NH was seen with GVC a lot? SO WHO IS THE WITNESS? IT WAS A MBS PER JOE! SO WHY DOESN'T THIS MB WITNESS SPEAK UP? ARE THEY SCARED? (IMO) They are scared shitless at this point. So, is GVC the guy ED KISSEL got into a fight w/ over NH? Was Joran part of the fight? I would love to know what ED might have to say about GVC.

    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=904&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    Joe Tacopina is preparing for civil suit in the United States of America. As far as I know, Joran has no currently scheduled court appearances in Aruba, with regard to a criminal investigation. Joran has not been exonerated as a suspect, but he has been released from detention, with prejudice, with no formal charges ever being filed. I'd say Joe is currently up to bat...but you're the lawyer.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:49 PM
    I understand his interest in the case. But Joe talks about Aruba criminal proceedings too. I dont have a problem with what Joe is doing or saying for his client, but I wonder why his criminal attorneys dont say anything--especially in light of the criminal investigation in Aruba and new arrest.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    Why is Joe T the one making all the statements? Where are Joran's criminal attorneys?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:44 PM

    I am about the only one here that keeps saying stop jumping to conclusions AND debunking what is being said by Joe T.
    You have not even the remotest idea of what I think of this development, or if you REALLY read my posts, you would. I think this entire frenzy over this arrest is way out of proportion to what it may mean. The police have released only the information that has been published by the AP and THAT'S ALL. Far from conclusive.
    scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:37 PM
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:52 PM
    Oh Shit.. I am showing my age again!
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:52 PM
    I get the feeling Aruban lawyers dont much care for the media. They havent spoke much at all throughout this whole fiasco.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:53 PM
    I think it is very strange that now that the picture is out of GVC that Beth has not contacted any of the Brookies to see if they recognize him.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    I am about the only one here that keeps saying stop jumping to conclusions AND debunking what is being said by Joe T.
    You have not even the remotest idea of what I think of this development, or if you REALLY read my posts, you would. I think this entire frenzy over this arrest is way out of proportion to what it may mean. The police have released only the information that has been published by the AP and THAT'S ALL. Far from conclusive.
    scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:37 PM
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:52 PM
    So, where is Joe T coming up with all these rumors and why is everyone believing him without question?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    get the feeling Aruban lawyers dont much care for the media. They havent spoke much at all throughout this whole fiasco.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:53 PM
    Can you blame them. Look how the media has portrayed Aruba.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:55 PM
    get the feeling Aruban lawyers dont much care for the media. They havent spoke much at all throughout this whole fiasco.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:53 PM
    Can you blame them. Look how the media has portrayed Aruba.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:55 PM
    I am about the only one here that keeps saying stop jumping to conclusions AND debunking what is being said by Joe T.
    You have not even the remotest idea of what I think of this development, or if you REALLY read my posts, you would. I think this entire frenzy over this arrest is way out of proportion to what it may mean. The police have released only the information that has been published by the AP and THAT'S ALL. Far from conclusive.
    scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:37 PM
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:52 PM

    Maybe she has. Maybe John Kelly has. Maybe the FBI has. The bigger question, why hasnt the ALE contacted them about it, why havent they contacted Joran or the Kalpoe about it? Or maybe they have.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:56 PM
    Sorry for the double post.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:56 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    Joran has been released from detention, with prejudice. Antonio Carlo, made a brief statement regarding the new arrest. Maybe he doesn't feel appropiate to provide any more spin at this time, and allow the facts to speak for themself, as they "officially" become availbable.
    I think BethCo. was on at least 6 programs this evening.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:57 PM
    get the feeling Aruban lawyers dont much care for the media. They havent spoke much at all throughout this whole fiasco.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:53 PM
    Can you blame them. Look how the media has portrayed Aruba.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:55 PM
    And because of the rampant rumor and specualtion, they should all zip it until more is known--or demand that the polis release more info, if that can be done.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:57 PM
    I asked this on the front page also, where did the story of the blue eyed Dutch boy start?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:59 PM
    I saw Linda Allison on Hannity and Colmes tonight. She denied that Nat had ever called her mother about a blue eyed Dutch boy
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    I think it is very strange that now that the picture is out of GVC that Beth has not contacted any of the Brookies to see if they recognize him.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    Perhaps ALE did that earlier this year?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    they cannot "demand" anything. Would a lawyer here demand the FBI or LE to release more info to the public during an ongoing investigation? perhaps they would, but would most likely be told where to go, and what to do once they got there.
    IMO, the Aruban lawyers are doing exactly what they should be doing...saying nothing.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:57 PM
    Demand? Why don't you go demand the FBI to us their file on this case? Get over yourself. JMO
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM
    they cannot "demand" anything. Would a lawyer here demand the FBI or LE to release more info to the public during an ongoing investigation? perhaps they would, but would most likely be told where to go, and what to do once they got there.
    IMO, the Aruban lawyers are doing exactly what they should be doing...saying nothing.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM

    I agree. The lawyers should be quiet.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM
    I think it is very strange that now that the picture is out of GVC that Beth has not contacted any of the Brookies to see if they recognize him.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    Perhaps ALE did that earlier this year?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    Ii would think that Beth would want to know. That is if she could get over her obsession with Joran.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    Perhaps ALE did that earlier this year?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    Actaully. I believe it was the FBI...and at least some of the MB students not only recognized him, but gave his name as "Gee".
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    So, where is Joe T coming up with all these rumors and why is everyone believing him without question?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    64,000.00 question! Personally, I agree with Scuba on this. She did point out that the security company having access to the tapes at the HI is NOT on their client list. Marriott, The Grande and the Bucuti use their services, but NOT the HI.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    She denied that Nat had ever called her mother about a blue eyed Dutch boy
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    Beth call her? Email message? A letter after the fact? The woman can parse a word "y'know"
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM
    well where is arbeej ?? does her daughter know this fellow ?
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM
    I saw Linda Allison on Hannity and Colmes tonight. She denied that Nat had ever called her mother about a blue eyed Dutch boy
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM
    I think it's a non-issue at this point.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM
    And because of the rampant rumor and specualtion, they should all zip it until more is known--or demand that the polis release more info, if that can be done.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:57 PM
    It was my understanding that the police/prosecutor cannot release information. But info may be released by suspects lawyers. Early on in the case, at another place I posted it was revealed that the lawyer was under no obligation to be truthful or unbiased with regard to the information they revealed to the public. JMHO
    Anyone else remember those discussions? Want to add your two cents?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM
    What one sees as a non-issue, others see as very relevant.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:03 PM
    Is this him???
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/224535347/1224595835062017874MwAoXs
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:03 PM
    So, where is Joe T coming up with all these rumors and why is everyone believing him without question?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:54 PM
    From police documents that were previously sealed, including the FBI statements of the Brookies.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:03 PM
    I understand his interest in the case. But Joe talks about Aruba criminal proceedings too. I dont have a problem with what Joe is doing or saying for his client, but I wonder why his criminal attorneys dont say anything--especially in light of the criminal investigation in Aruba and new arrest.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    I'm curious as to why we are hearing from him and not Joran's Aruban atty that's handling the case. Maybe, Joe is better at spin
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    I have to say...Beth does think wierd..calling these people children does make me sick...lol
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    64,000.00 question! Personally, I agree with Scuba on this. She did point out that the security company having access to the tapes at the HI is NOT on their client list. Marriott, The Grande and the Bucuti use their services, but NOT the HI.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    How is it known that the company had access to security tapes at the HI? What proof is there of this, and why was it allowed? Can anyone just waltz in there and access the tapes?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    Ii would think that Beth would want to know. That is if she could get over her obsession with Joran.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    Sounds like the questions have already been asked and perhaps she does know if the MB students know who he is. Why are the polis just now making an arrest and what is his connection to other suspects is what I want to know. We play the waiting game once again.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    I agree. The lawyers should be quiet.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM

    ALLLLLLLL of them. ;>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    well where is arbeej ?? does her daughter know this fellow ?
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM
    She quit posting a while back, here or elsewhere that I know of.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:05 PM
    I agree. The lawyers should be quiet.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM

    ALLLLLLLL of them. ;>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    Yes I sure agree to that..
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:06 PM
    How is it known that the company had access to security tapes at the HI? What proof is there of this, and why was it allowed? Can anyone just waltz in there and access the tapes?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    It seemed Joe was trying to imply that the security tapes showing Natalee at the HI at 4 are missing because of this new kid and connection to his father's company. That's complete and total bullshit. Why is Joe spinning like this?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:06 PM
    I'm curious as to why we are hearing from him and not Joran's Aruban atty that's handling the case. Maybe, Joe is better at spin
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    oran has been released from detention, with prejudice. Antonio Carlo, made a brief statement regarding the new arrest. Maybe he doesn't feel appropiate to provide any more spin at this time, and allow the facts to speak for themself, as they "officially" become availbable.
    I think BethCo. was on at least 6 programs this evening.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 10:57 PM
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:06 PM
    I agree. The lawyers should be quiet.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM

    ALLLLLLLL of them. ;>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    Yes I sure agree to that..
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:06 PM
    Yes, me too.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    Ii would think that Beth would want to know. That is if she could get over her obsession with Joran.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    Sounds like the questions have already been asked and perhaps she does know if the MB students know who he is. Why are the polis just now making an arrest and what is his connection to other suspects is what I want to know. We play the waiting game once again.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    His picture has just been made public so how could she have known anything about him? That was what I meant by asking them about the picture now.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    Beth not talking to arbeej or her daughter shows me alot about beth and her investigative talents...reminds me of her back seat interrogations with Joran..
    lol
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:08 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    Anybody see Star Jones filling in for Larry King tonight. I would have sooner seen the wabster filling in. Star looked like those fake lashes were ready to tip her head to the desk. :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    His picture has just been made public so how could she have known anything about him? That was what I meant by asking them about the picture now.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    Actaully. I believe it was the FBI...and at least some of the MB students not only recognized him, but gave his name as "Gee".
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:10 PM
    I asked this on the front page also, where did the story of the blue eyed Dutch boy start?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:59 PM
    A cab driver and then Julia Renfro.
    Vivi - why is it that every time you come on the board you need to have people update you, so then there goes another whole rehash of what has been going on? Read back and catch up like the rest of us...
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:11 PM
    His picture has just been made public so how could she have known anything about him? That was what I meant by asking them about the picture now.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    Actaully. I believe it was the FBI...and at least some of the MB students not only recognized him, but gave his name as "Gee".
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:10 PM
    You don't get it yet. I mean that if that were my daughter I would have called when the new picture was released to see if they recognized him. The picture has not been available until today. Unless she already knows about Gee and that is why she did not call. If that is the case then she lied to Greta.

    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:12 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    Wish they would inhance that and release it so we can all see it ;)
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:12 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM

    Yeah, because it wasnt Natalee. Are you seriously thinking that Julia Renfro broke this case open because she can identify Natalee but Beth cant? Of course Beth would have wanted it to be Natalee and find her back in June.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM
    It seemed Joe was trying to imply that the security tapes showing Natalee at the HI at 4 are missing because of this new kid and connection to his father's company. That's complete and total bullshit. Why is Joe spinning like this?
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:06 PM
    I would imagine that there would be human witnesses also. MB students wandering around. Non-MB guests wandering around. 4:00 a.m. would seem to be a time that the hotel staff start the day. Early guests check out. Rooms cleaned. Wake up guests. Deliver newspapers/breakfast. Ensure pool area is clean for new day. I'd imagine there was lots of activity. I would think that someone that really knew her would have seen her. JMHO
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:10 PM
    The picture came from ALE. FBI asked the students during questioning. Beth may not ever had seen the picture....doesn't mean she hadn't heard of him. Or could be why the cameras were confiscated. Your pick.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM
    Vivi - why is it that every time you come on the board you need to have people update you, so then there goes another whole rehash of what has been going on? Read back and catch up like the rest of us...
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:11 PM
    AMEN!!! I don't know why she can't read like the rest of us to. I was not here most of last night, nor all day today but I read and caught up without coming on and asking for a catch up of the events.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    His picture has just been made public so how could she have known anything about him? That was what I meant by asking them about the picture now.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    I assume beth knew all about Gee. Surely JQK has access to the FBI statements? He may not have a photo of Gee, but almost positive he would have seen the same statements Joe T has. I think it comes down to only that which can be linked to Joran is deemed appropriate. Everything else is to be tossed aside as trival, useless information.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    Wish they would inhance that and release it so we can all see it ;)
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:12 PM
    I do too.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    Good Night.
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:15 PM
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM
    She said she didn't see her at the blackjack table either. Beth isn't much of an investigator, huh?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:15 PM

    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM

    Yeah, because it wasnt Natalee. Are you seriously thinking that Julia Renfro broke this case open because she can identify Natalee but Beth cant? Of course Beth would have wanted it to be Natalee and find her back in June.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM
    I wonder if she would or not. She seems to be obsessed with it being Joran and no one else. Even tonight she still was hung up on that.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/224535347/1224595835062017874MwAoXs
    This Geoffrey above is in alot of photo albums of vacationers in Aruba. Looks alot like the same guy....
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
    How is it known that the company had access to security tapes at the HI? What proof is there of this, and why was it allowed? Can anyone just waltz in there and access the tapes?
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    HI was not one of the security company's clients, which means the father/son had no access to the casino tapes.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    His picture has just been made public so how could she have known anything about him? That was what I meant by asking them about the picture now.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    I assume beth knew all about Gee. Surely JQK has access to the FBI statements? He may not have a photo of Gee, but almost positive he would have seen the same statements Joe T has. I think it comes down to only that which can be linked to Joran is deemed appropriate. Everything else is to be tossed aside as trival, useless information.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    You are evidently right. Have never seen a mother act the way she does.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    That was curt, wabster. you sound frustrated. Grab my hand. "GVC, rowed the boat ashore, Allelujah.....GVC, rowed the ashore, Allelujah..."
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    Before I go, there is also the open question about the private/public work the security company does for Aruba. A number of videos were made after NH disappeared, that have never been explained. MO
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-278434962250393528&q=aru-bay
    or
    http://www.arubassilence.com/
    If you look, the companies truck appears to be on the videos. What are all these people doing? MO
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    HI was not one of the security company's clients, which means the father/son had no access to the casino tapes.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    Despite Joe T's implications to the contrary. That is unethical spin from an attorney IMO.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:18 PM
    Before I go, there is also the open question about the private/public work the security company does for Aruba. A number of videos were made after NH disappeared, that have never been explained. MO
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-278434962250393528&q=aru-bay
    or
    http://www.arubassilence.com/
    If you look, the companies truck appears to be on the videos. What are all these people doing? MO
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:18 PM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/224535347/1224595835062017874MwAoXs
    This Geoffrey above is in alot of photo albums of vacationers in Aruba. Looks alot like the same guy....
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
    I don't think it is him, but I could be wrong.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:18 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Wow! What a great interview Greta had tonight with Joe T!
    I don't think BHT was accurate regarding one statement she made!
    We're going to connect the dots all right. Absolutely! YooooHoooo...LMAO :)
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:19 PM
    How can Beth state that Natalee did not return to the HI. What about the video of her in the lobby at 3:15? I guess Beth is still stating that was not Natalee.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Wow! What a great interview Greta had tonight with Joe T!
    I don't think BHT was accurate regarding one statement she made!
    We're going to connect the dots all right. Absolutely! YooooHoooo...LMAO :)
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:19 PM
    Joe was great. Beth at the beginning looked a little humble, but looked mad as hell by the end...LOL Yeah, I liked that connect the dots statement too.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    HI was not one of the security company's clients, which means the father/son had no access to the casino tapes.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    Has this been confirmed anywhere? Aruba has been on Easter break since the arrest. Is this in the same statement as GVC allegedly attending the Internationl School of Aruba, with Joran?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
    I dont think its the same guy, think that is someone's family vacation, and geofrrey is the brother of the girl that posted the photo's.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    I assume beth knew all about Gee. Surely JQK has access to the FBI statements? He may not have a photo of Gee, but almost positive he would have seen the same statements Joe T has. I think it comes down to only that which can be linked to Joran is deemed appropriate. Everything else is to be tossed aside as trival, useless information.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    You are evidently right. Have never seen a mother act the way she does.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. It is totally asinie to believe that a mother would rather convict the wrong person "just because" than find the truth and find her missing daughter. I'm outta here. Later.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:21 PM
    I'm curious as to why we are hearing from him and not Joran's Aruban atty that's handling the case. Maybe, Joe is better at spin
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:04 PM
    Aruban lawyers not accustomed to try a case in the press.

    Posted by: roy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:21 PM
    Joe was great. Beth at the beginning looked a little humble, but looked mad as hell by the end...LOL Yeah, I liked that connect the dots statement too.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    LMAO@Beth! That's my line! :)
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM
    That was curt, wabster. you sound frustrated. Grab my hand. "GVC, rowed the boat ashore, Allelujah.....GVC, rowed the ashore, Allelujah..."
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    ruck ruck ruck ruck ruck!!!
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM

    I do not have this 19 year old in any of my saved photos..and I have hundreds between home and work..
    If he was so well known you would think he would show up...

    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM
    That was curt, wabster. you sound frustrated. Grab my hand. "GVC, rowed the boat ashore, Allelujah.....GVC, rowed the ashore, Allelujah..."
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    Too much coffee...I may be up later, see you then.
    Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:23 PM
    I dont think its the same guy, think that is someone's family vacation, and geofrrey is the brother of the girl that posted the photo's.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    lol.. he must get around then.. cause he is in alot of DIFFERENT Peoples Albums in Aruba lol

    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:24 PM
    Joe was great. Beth at the beginning looked a little humble, but looked mad as hell by the end...LOL Yeah, I liked that connect the dots statement too.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    LMAO@Beth! That's my line! :)
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM
    :))
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:24 PM
    I assume beth knew all about Gee. Surely JQK has access to the FBI statements? He may not have a photo of Gee, but almost positive he would have seen the same statements Joe T has. I think it comes down to only that which can be linked to Joran is deemed appropriate. Everything else is to be tossed aside as trival, useless information.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    You are evidently right. Have never seen a mother act the way she does.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:17 PM
    That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. It is totally asinie to believe that a mother would rather convict the wrong person "just because" than find the truth and find her missing daughter. I'm outta here. Later.
    Posted by: ViVi | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:21 PM
    OMG - if I had known this was what it took I would have said this looooon ago...LMAO
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:25 PM
    School night..... Goodnight!
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM
    I dont think its the same guy, think that is someone's family vacation, and geofrrey is the brother of the girl that posted the photo's.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    lol.. he must get around then.. cause he is in alot of DIFFERENT Peoples Albums in Aruba lol

    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:24 PM
    He looks like the type that gets around to a lot, if ya know what I mean...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM
    OMG - if I had known this was what it took I would have said this looooon ago...LMAO
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:25 PM
    copy and save it...you may need it again sometime :)
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:27 PM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/224535347/1224595835062017874MwAoXs
    This Geoffrey above is in alot of photo albums of vacationers in Aruba. Looks alot like the same guy....
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
    I don't think it is him, but I could be wrong.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:18 PM
    Belle - I was wrong. Refugees thinks it is him too. Sorry.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:28 PM
    OMG - if I had known this was what it took I would have said this looooon ago...LMAO
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:25 PM
    copy and save it...you may need it again sometime :)
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:27 PM
    Great idea. Thanks!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:29 PM
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM
    We've never seen pictures of alot of people. The HI workers, The Twins in Aruba, The "kid" on the beach that took CC to Joran's house, Paul Lilly.....
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:29 PM
    Has this been confirmed anywhere? Aruba has been on Easter break since the arrest. Is this in the same statement as GVC allegedly attending the Internationl School of Aruba, with Joran?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    I just got off the phone with the AP reporter and everything that is being said on TV has no substantiation, including the security company having access to the tapes as the HI is NOT on their client list. Marriott, The Grande and the Bucuti use their services, but NOT the HI.
    So really, I suggest everyone calm down, ignore the TV and rely on the AP reports for facts, as they will not release ANYTHING without authorized confirmation. All the rest is speculation. Even the CNN report, as he has not gone before the judge of instruction as yet, they have probably only been reassured that GvC will most likely be held for another 8 days, but until tomorrow, it is not a fact as yet.
    Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:12 PM


    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:29 PM
    Can anyone read what that kid's shirt says...it looks like it has a "W" in there somewhere to me....(big help I know). I can't tell for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised it is him.
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:31 PM
    JesseLee wrote:
    Posted: Mon Apr 17th, 2006 10:59 pm Quote Reply

    Greta appeared on Shep Smith's Fox show this afternoon and said she spoke to Joran twice over the weekend and that Joran told her he did not know Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC).
    Greta interviewed Beth Twitty on her show just now and asked her if she thought Joran knew GVC.
    Greta interviewed Joe Tacopina on her show just now and asked him if Joran knew GVC.
    Isn't it interesting that at no time during her show did Greta say that she had spoken directly to Joran, twice, and Joran himself told her that he did not know GVC.
    Joran, if you are reading here, please take note! I hope you tell the US cable media vultures who keep calling you, to talk to your attorney, Joe Tacopina and not to you. This is an acceptable answer for you to give.
    http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=819&forum_id=29&page=3
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:33 PM
    I can't make out what it says either, pat.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:34 PM
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:29 PM
    Fair enough. Thank You. I wonder what security service the HI uses ?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:35 PM
    He looks like the type that gets around to a lot, if ya know what I mean...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM
    Can you say "gigalo"? LOL
    Could be him in all those webshots, but the chin doesn't look as squared off as in the pics GMA showed this morning.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:37 PM
    He looks like the type that gets around to a lot, if ya know what I mean...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM
    Can you say "gigalo"? LOL
    Could be him in all those webshots, but the chin doesn't look as squared off as in the pics GMA showed this morning.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:37 PM
    Gigalo about does it...LOL
    Doesn't really look like him to me either. Wish we had a side by side.
    I read ast night's posts and they reminded me of a lot of the nights here a while back.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:39 PM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/252468528/1307704730064242154anyGJz
    in this one he has a shirt that says "staff" and is on a boat.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:40 PM
    Great post by Scuba:
    Posted: Mon Apr 17th, 2006 07:27 am Quote Reply

    I am reposting this information under another topic so more people will see it as I think it is important.
    Everyone is all worked up about this new arrest, and I agree, it would be wonderful if this is the answer and we will have resolution and find out what happened to Natalee, but from what I see, we all best keep our hopes in reserve. I fear what we are going to see is another family whose lives will be destroyed by the media. Let's hope they will be a bit kinder and more rational this time around. I am not holding my breath.

    http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=822&forum_id=29
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:40 PM
    Fair enough. Thank You. I wonder what security service the HI uses ?
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:35 PM
    Maybe a poster from Aruba (Maria?) can check this out.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:41 PM
    Good idea, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:41 PM
    I read ast night's posts and they reminded me of a lot of the nights here a while back.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:39 PM
    Yeah, give the late night crew something to work with...
    This is really the most we've had in a very long time.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM
    Joe T. is trying to spin the blood on the shirt into something it isn't.
    Joe called it "relevant forensic evidence" and Greta called him on it.
    Joe then said that he didn't say it was relevant forensic evidence related to Natalee.
    Also, per Dutch media, the blood on the shirt is being reported as GVC's OWN blood.
    Posted by: Brainybabe | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM
    Is this GvC?

    http://www.webshots.com/search?query=Geoffrey+aruba&new=1&source=search_results_top
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:44 PM
    I read ast night's posts and they reminded me of a lot of the nights here a while back.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:39 PM
    Yeah, give the late night crew something to work with...
    This is really the most we've had in a very long time.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM
    It really is. For some long, it was just the same ole rehash...LOL
    Loved your earlier post about rehash! :))
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:46 PM
    That's the one SouthernBelle was asking about Lexy. I did not think so but Refugees says yes and so did pat. So must be.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:48 PM
    I read ast night's posts and they reminded me of a lot of the nights here a while back.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:39 PM
    Hmmm, did Natalee bite him?
    When I was 19 I bit someone -- he still has the scar on his shoulder.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:48 PM
    Good idea, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:41 PM
    Still feel like I've fallen through the rabbit hole trying to follow this sad saga! LOL
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:49 PM
    Maybelline Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:36 pm
    About the question Greta asked Beth about the break-in or attempted break-in to Natalee's room at the HI -- earlier today a poster stated that one of the MBs reported that there was an attempted break-in to their room and that they got a glimpse of a person in security guard uniform outside or passing close by the window.
    I don't remember the exact report or where I saw it, but it was on here earlier today. So maybe Greta has it in a statement from one of the MBs, and just caught Beth in a lie.
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=904&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=125
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:50 PM
    I read ast night's posts and they reminded me of a lot of the nights here a while back.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:39 PM
    Hmmm, did Natalee bite him?
    When I was 19 I bit someone -- he still has the scar on his shoulder.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:48 PM
    Boy, you really nailed him...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:51 PM
    Good idea, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:41 PM
    Still feel like I've fallen through the rabbit hole trying to follow this sad saga! LOL
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:49 PM
    I know just how you feel...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:52 PM
    Well I tagged my last post on to the wrong one!! LOL
    Sorry, gagal.
    It was supposed to go with "GVC's blood on his shirt" post.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:53 PM
    yep i agree...I am going to stay reserved and not think much more about this until some real info is released by the prosicuters office..
    night everyone :}
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:53 PM
    Well I tagged my last post on to the wrong one!! LOL
    Sorry, gagal.
    It was supposed to go with "GVC's blood on his shirt" post.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:53 PM
    I figured it out...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:54 PM
    Boy, you really nailed him...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:51 PM
    His wife and I laugh about it. Good set of teethmarks especially when he has a tan.
    She has threatened to give a matching scar on the other shoulder.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:55 PM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/252468528/1307705537064242154VtLkor
    I think this looks like him
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM
    Boy, you really nailed him...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:51 PM
    His wife and I laugh about it. Good set of teethmarks especially when he has a tan.
    She has threatened to give a matching scar on the other shoulder.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:55 PM
    Too funny!!!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:57 PM
    yep i agree...I am going to stay reserved and not think much more about this until some real info is released by the prosicuters office..
    night everyone :}
    Posted by: edward | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:53 PM
    'night, Eduardo. But wait!! -- how does GVC connect with Hugo?? ;)
    Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:57 PM
    think this looks like him
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM
    I think so too, plhtx.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:58 PM
    night Edward, let's hope tomorrow brings a glimmer of hope that "something" be resolved one way or the other.
    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:58 PM
    lol sensible.. He shops at the same grocery store ???...
    How is that accent ??
    :}
    Wish I could hear it ..
    Posted by: edward | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:00 AM
    think this looks like him
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM
    That one sure does. I'm dubious about some of the others.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:02 AM
    Not for nothing but I think its smart that all people who are supposedly in the know in Aruba seem to be downplaying this.. Interesting too..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:04 AM
    Not for nothing but I think its smart that all people who are supposedly in the know in Aruba seem to be downplaying this.. Interesting too..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:04 AM
    I'm sure that they want to be really cautious this time...
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:07 AM
    scubajap
    Member

    Posted: Mon Apr 17th, 2006 11:00 pm Quote Reply

    cajun wrote:
    Scuba, do you know if it's true that this boy was being questioned about another complaint brought against him and he's the one that mentioned Natalee's name to ALE?

    Honest Cajun, I have told everything I know about this "arrest" already, any other questions are pointless. It would appear that it has already been decided to extend his incarceration for 8 days, CNN was probably informed as a courtesy, tomorrow will be a mere formality, but it would have been nice of them to inform the local media, if not first, at least at the same time, don't you think? I have a feeling more than one local editor will have something to say to the police about that.

    http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=816&forum_id=29&page=13
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:07 AM
    Interesting, 26.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:08 AM
    Great post. Exactly how I feel about that as I said earlier.
    CSI wrote:
    G;
    YOur daughter ever meet him, her friends say anything about her meetin ghim, did they recognize him?
    Beth
    I haven't had a chance to speak to them, I don't think there was any truth to some rumors circulating in the fall about Natalee meeting someone a blue eyed Dutch boy...not true, just not true. There was no truth coming out of Aruba about that.
    My God woman - why on earth would you not contact these kids asap to find out about this kid? What is God's name is wrong with you. For heavens sake, this is you daughter we are talking about. Get off your ass!
    Get off the tv. For once in your life be the mother you apparently never were to Natalee. You wanted the world to watch, well we are watching you, and isn't pretty. You are not worth my time.
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=907&start=0
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:13 AM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/252468528/1307705537064242154VtLkor
    I think this looks like him
    Posted by: plhtx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM

    The caption of the photo is "jeff helping me" there are more pics of him in that album.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:14 AM
    Scuba, do you know if it's true that this boy was being questioned about another complaint brought against him and he's the one that mentioned Natalee's name to ALE?
    26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:07 AM
    another complaint brought against him???very interesting. Bet the pics of him will be off-line by tomorrow.
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:16 AM
    Scuba, do you know if it's true that this boy was being questioned about another complaint brought against him and he's the one that mentioned Natalee's name to ALE?
    26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:07 AM
    another complaint brought against him???very interesting. Bet the pics of him will be off-line by tomorrow.
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:16 AM

    Would not surprise me. At this point, nothing will...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:18 AM
    Whoever that bethanylauren is in the pics, I hope theyre questioning her if this guy is a suspect or knows something
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:20 AM
    Greta was really leaning on Beth which really surprised me. Maybe she has finally wised up.
    Greta:
    Beth for the last 9 months we've explored every possible angle of what happened after she left C&C. Is there any evidence or information at all that makes you think she made it back to the HI
    Beth
    No absolutely not. I think of Joran and Steve Croes and this new suspect, and the lies that were coming out early, if we find out that these 3 suspects or acquaintances know each other, somebody needs to connect the dots...Croes lied to say he saw the security guards...soembody needs to connect all these dots.
    Greta:
    Steven Croes is very curious, he was DJ on the Tatto a tourist boat
    When he was picked up he went to the police station and said he saw the security guards and Natalee get out of the car
    Beth
    The police never came to get him ,he volunteered he came forward as a good samaritan, he came willingly to lie to authorities.
    Greta;
    were they ever able to connect him to the 3 suspects. they don't have any hard evidence that he had a relationship with them
    It's very frustrating, we need to know if he's acquainted with the new suspect, does he know Joran or steve, there just has to be some connection between all these guys
    G;
    Natalee's room was a first floor room. ANy intrusion or bizarre attempt to get in that door while she was in there?
    Beth:
    Not that I'm aware of
    G:
    Did you ever hear of anything, I thought I heard that there was some effort earlier in the week
    Beth;
    I never heard anything like that
    G:
    Ever hear vaguely, I'm trying to pick your brain
    Beth:
    No, I have not.
    G:
    It's the most difficult thing, to piece what's fact or not, we've covered so many miles in this case.
    Beth:
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    Greta:
    Very interesting questions since his father does have this security business.
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=907&start=0
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:21 AM
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:18 AM
    I am caustiously optimistic that this boy may hold the key to unlocking this mystery!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:22 AM

    I wonder if the FBI will be called back in? I wonder why Beth doesn't contact the "best friends", and see if they know "Gee"? Does anyone know how fine a line there is between asking legitimate questions, and witness tampering? Or, maybe she already knows from their other little sitdowns.
    , "I don't think there was any truth to some rumors"
    Just because a person doesn't think it, doesn't mean it isn't so.
    Mrs. TwoWays :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:23 AM
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/252468528/1307704545064242154HAiEet
    From the same photo ablum above
    Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:23 AM
    I just got off the phone with the AP reporter and everything that is being said on TV has no substantiation, including the security company having access to the tapes as the HI is NOT on their client list. Marriott, The Grande and the Bucuti use their services, but NOT the HI.
    Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:12 PM

    Posted by: Lexy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 09:32 PM
    Just logged back in & reading over posts since I left--This one confused me a little. If the HI is not on VCB client list who would have wanted to remove a piece of the tape (per Joe T statement?)Just another piece added to this puzzle or did one of you smart posters already figure this one out?

    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    Beth:
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    Mrs. TwoWays speak for "We don't know who to sue yet"
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    I am caustiously optimistic that this boy may hold the key to unlocking this mystery!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:22 AM
    Well I definetly don't want to contribute to the ruin of another teenager until we know for sure what is going on.. Nite all..
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    Whoever that bethanylauren is in the pics, I hope theyre questioning her if this guy is a suspect or knows something
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:20 AM
    sorry, who's they?
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM
    H/T Heli@Refugees! :)
    ----------------
    Chris:
    I have heard about the shirt a year ago, it's not found on the side of the island where Natalee went missing, it's by the refinery in St Nicholas It has initials vcb, security company where this young man used to work. This shirt contains forensic evidence, it was blood I think.
    Greta;
    Did they compare to Natalee's DNA?
    Chris
    The prosecutor has a good reason to get someone to revive this case, to keep this open, the court of appeals is pressing now for her to take a decision to continue because of Joran's father's claim...
    .................................
    Connect the dots..... :(
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:18 AM
    I am caustiously optimistic that this boy may hold the key to unlocking this mystery!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:22 AM
    I am too, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:27 AM
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:20 AM
    Why? Does she look like someone that you think could hang something on Joran? How is life with blinders on? Do you get blindsided alot?
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:27 AM
    School night..... Goodnight!
    Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM
    Oh, come now Belley. Wasn't calling you an older American, just trying to disguise my age a bit .. which ok, is rather young (just like you!)

    Posted by: ( Dax ) | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    Beth:
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    Mrs. TwoWays speak for "We don't know who to sue yet"
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    I thought the same thing. Connect the father because of his money just like she did with Paulus.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    Beth:
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Why would she hope there is no connection between security and the suspect's father? Wouldn't this be a major clue?
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    Connect the dots..... :(
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM
    I do believe they will very soon. :)
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:29 AM
    am caustiously optimistic that this boy may hold the key to unlocking this mystery!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:22 AM
    I am too, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:27 AM
    -His appearance on the scene is almost like a double edged sword. We are hoping he can give the answers all are looking for, but some of us are afraid he's just going to throw more twists & turns in the case. Crossing my fingers on one hand only.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:29 AM
    Connect the dots..... :(
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM
    Is it possible Natalee took another ride?
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Beth:
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Why would she hope there is no connection between security and the suspect's father? Wouldn't this be a major clue?
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    She does not think like any mother I have ever heard of.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Whoever that bethanylauren is in the pics, I hope theyre questioning her if this guy is a suspect or knows something
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:20 AM
    sorry, who's they?
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM

    Whoever is doing an investigation in this case.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    am caustiously optimistic that this boy may hold the key to unlocking this mystery!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:22 AM
    I am too, Lexy.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:27 AM
    -His appearance on the scene is almost like a double edged sword. We are hoping he can give the answers all are looking for, but some of us are afraid he's just going to throw more twists & turns in the case. Crossing my fingers on one hand only.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:29 AM
    I got mine crossed too, jo. :)
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    Just logged back in & reading over posts since I left--This one confused me a little. If the HI is not on VCB client list who would have wanted to remove a piece of the tape (per Joe T statement?)Just another piece added to this puzzle or did one of you smart posters already figure this one out?

    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    My thoughts too, so I put those comments about splice-n-dice tape in box B (mayB and mayB not)true!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    sorry I have to post and run and don't get to read above here but I caught a bit of Greta tonight.
    Did you all catch Tacopino's "slip" when he said NECKLACE...and then caught himself and then said "shirt" over near the REFINERY?
    Do you remember in the early days when there was talk that she had ended up in the refinery? You know that refinery has connections to HALLIBURTON.
    Did you hear lezuway (can't spell it) say the shirt of GVC "possibly had blood on it?"
    Did you hear L also say "the Court of Appeals is pressing Karin J now"?
    Also, all that stuff was found on the south end of the island.
    Is there anybody still here who remembers all the talk of the refinery and the fact that the guy (I think) who was beheaded supposedly by his wife had connections to the refinery (am I remembering that right?)
    I'll be back.
    bye
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:32 AM
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    She is just weird that she has focused on that rape crap. Never have understood how she could even think that about Natalee!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    Boy, isn't that the truth! You would think she would be all over this and hoping for some type of answer. Now, THIS is the most asinine thing I have ever seen!
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    versus murdered is how I take this. Go ahead let it fly--Remember I have always been able to accept Joran's change of story, so I'm just an occasional Kool Aid imbiber.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    Just logged back in & reading over posts since I left--This one confused me a little. If the HI is not on VCB client list who would have wanted to remove a piece of the tape (per Joe T statement?)Just another piece added to this puzzle or did one of you smart posters already figure this one out?

    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    My thoughts too, so I put those comments about splice-n-dice tape in box B (mayB and mayB not)true!
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    Yep. Joe T Razzle Dazzle--confuse the issue and divert attention away from the suspect. It's meaningless.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:34 AM
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Why? What is doing in the little sanapshot that is so incriminating? Does she have blood on her "I just saw J2K kill Natalee" tee-shirt?
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:34 AM
    Geoffrey appears in MANY vacationers online journals, or so it seems, He must be quite popular with the tourist gals. Comfortable around their parents too, since he is in photo's with their mothers, uncles etc.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:34 AM
    oh yeah........and I got to hear what Linda Allison said that she had just gotten before she went on air about the transcript of the taped talk in the back of the police car between Joran and Kalpoe......about the 16 years and all?
    Wonder who her source is?
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:35 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    Boy, isn't that the truth! You would think she would be all over this and hoping for some type of answer. Now, THIS is the most asinine thing I have ever seen!
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    :)))
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:35 AM
    I'll be anxious to find out about this guy's father, it concerns the family about the security cameras not working at the Holiday Inn, I hope there's no connection with video security and the suspect's father, I don't know what his responsibility is in this whole thing.
    Mrs. TwoWays speak for "We don't know who to sue yet"
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:24 AM
    I thought the same thing. Connect the father because of his money just like she did with Paulus.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
    Scuba says that company doesn't handle the cameras for the HI.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:35 AM
    She is just weird that she has focused on that rape crap. Never have understood how she could even think that about Natalee!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    One of those blind mothers that just cannot believe her daughter would willingly have sex?!
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:36 AM
    How long was it on Saturday that the Family insisted that GCV was Jamie Vasquez Cariquilla and he is a friend of Steve Croes and Joran's? Talk about meaningless information. Go to Aruba Beth. Show us you care. Unfrost your Heart.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:37 AM
    Scuba says that company doesn't handle the cameras for the HI.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:35 AM
    That's right she did, but why mention the guy's father unless you are thinking of $$$$.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:37 AM
    She is just weird that she has focused on that rape crap. Never have understood how she could even think that about Natalee!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    One of those blind mothers that just cannot believe her daughter would willingly have sex?!
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:36 AM
    I guess so, but too me she really carries it to the extreme about the focus on rape.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM
    Beth is still under the assumption the dad does security for HI apparently.
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM
    Connect the dots..... :(
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:25 AM
    Is it possible Natalee took another ride?
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    ++++++++++++++++
    JMO, desparado shot by KJ to keep the case open. She bought 8 more days. After 8 days, the court becomes involved and the burden increases. She won't be able to hold this kid with just the shirt. It's the "suspect's" blood not Nats. A large part of that island is covered with nasty thorns. The blood means nothing. I believe they found the shirt at the opposite end of the island by the other lighthouse near Baby Beach. Just a few weeks ago, they were searching the dunes area like there was no tommorrow.
    KJ doesn't have a case against anyone. Corpus Delicti!
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM
    Whoever is doing an investigation in this case.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Do you have any hunches?
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    How long was it on Saturday that the Family insisted that GCV was Jamie Vasquez Cariquilla and he is a friend of Steve Croes and Joran's? Talk about meaningless information. Go to Aruba Beth. Show us you care. Unfrost your Heart.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:37 AM
    Yep. A shame Greta didn't have the balls to ask her about that.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    How long was it on Saturday that the Family insisted that GCV was Jamie Vasquez Cariquilla and he is a friend of Steve Croes and Joran's? Talk about meaningless information. Go to Aruba Beth. Show us you care. Unfrost your Heart.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:37 AM
    I heard Julie Banderas state something close to that (never did catch it) and that she got it from the family one time. Never heard anyone from the family say it themselves. Meaningless info was from Faux news.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    Why is Beth in LA? Seems she would want to be in Aruba. Remember when she said she would never leave? Guess when the questions got too hot for her she changed her mind.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    Whoever is doing an investigation in this case.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:30 AM
    Do you have any hunches?
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    About who's doingn an investigation? No one as far as I can tell.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    This is mother that can only hope that her daughter was drugged, kidnapped, gangraped and being held against her will. I hope she never hopes anything for me.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:31 AM
    versus murdered is how I take this. Go ahead let it fly--Remember I have always been able to accept Joran's change of story, so I'm just an occasional Kool Aid imbiber.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:33 AM
    I took it that way also. I still think it was bizarre for her to say that to the world. JMO

    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    I hope this GVC guy wasn't just spouting off to his friends and got caught in the middle of something he doesn't know about. I am ready for some type of resolution.
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:42 AM
    Heli Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:09 pm
    Greta:
    YOur daughter ever meet him, her friends say anything about her meeting him, did they recognize him?
    Beth
    I haven't had a chance to speak to them, I don't think there was any truth to some rumours circulating in the fall about Natalee meeting someone a blue eyed Dutch boy...not true, just not true. There was no truth coming out of Aruba about that.

    This is but one of the occasions where Greta is asking Beth questions, the answers to which she already knows. Every time Beth denies or claims ignorance.
    In this case, we know that when ALE interviewed some of the MB students a few months ago they showed them a series of pictures. WE know that some students identified the blond, blue eyed Dutch boy as someone they knew as "Gee" who had hung out with the MB students and Natalee specifically.
    For a woman who has an obsessive need to know everything, it's hard to believe she's claiming ignorance and even continues to deny that GVC is the "infamous" blond, blue eyed Dutch boy .
    There's also the small matter of Beth telling Julia Renfro early on that Natalee had called her and told she was in love with that blond, blue eyed Dutch boy ....
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=907&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:42 AM
    Yep. A shame Greta didn't have the balls to ask her about that.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Greta also dropped the ball with Chris Lejuez. She sould have followed up her "lawyering up" question and asked Chris if this kid was represented and who was representing him. :(
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    Rita also...family as source. Maybe Julie watches Rita, or vice versa? Competing networks.
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
    Does seem odd that he is a blue-eyed Dutch boy and the MTB grads were apparently throwing the name Gee around. Is this the one the taxi-driver was talking about?
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
    when i left this afternoon somebody was saying there was a hearing today and the detention of gvc was extended 8 days. i now know this is not the case. why do people post stuff that is not true? the hearing is tomorrow and a judge will come over from curacao per cnn.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    Yep. A shame Greta didn't have the balls to ask her about that.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Greta also dropped the ball with Chris Lejuez. She sould have followed up her "lawyering up" question and asked Chris if this kid was represented and who was representing him. :(
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
    Yes she should have. She did seem a little better tonight with the questions of Beth. Hope she continues on this trend.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    Beth is still under the assumption the dad does security for HI apparently.
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM
    I thought so too, after seeing Joe T's statement-Don't think I was the only one here with that thought. If not for Scuba's post I would still think it, so I agree with you that she may be under that assumption.
    Bugs me who the witnesses are that told JoeT, how they got to see the tapes, & why they would want to remove that part. Could there be someone from HI involved?
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    when i left this afternoon somebody was saying there was a hearing today and the detention of gvc was extended 8 days. i now know this is not the case. why do people post stuff that is not true? the hearing is tomorrow and a judge will come over from curacao per cnn.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    CNN reported that he was being detained 8 more days.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    KJ doesn't have a case against anyone. Corpus Delicti!
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM
    So you're saying theres no case against anybody and this is not a new lead?
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    Does seem odd that he is a blue-eyed Dutch boy and the MTB grads were apparently throwing the name Gee around. Is this the one the taxi-driver was talking about?
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
    I bet so, kat.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    thought so too, after seeing Joe T's statement-Don't think I was the only one here with that thought. If not for Scuba's post I would still think it, so I agree with you that she may be under that assumption.
    Bugs me who the witnesses are that told JoeT, how they got to see the tapes, & why they would want to remove that part. Could there be someone from HI involved?
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    That's what I am trying to figure out. Who removed it and why?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:46 AM
    - the 8 day extension?
    - GvC attendance at ISA?
    Posted by: iquitos | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:21 PM
    I think it was Arlene that said it...on Dan Abrams
    Posted by: ruhroh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 06:23 PM
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:47 AM
    Does anyone know who does the security for the HI?
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:47 AM
    when i left this afternoon somebody was saying there was a hearing today and the detention of gvc was extended 8 days. i now know this is not the case. why do people post stuff that is not true? the hearing is tomorrow and a judge will come over from curacao per cnn.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    People love to post stuff that isn't true. Guess they think if they do it will be taken as fact. Kinda like Beth repeating stuff over and over even though it is not true.
    Don't know how CNN would know before he even goes before the judge.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:48 AM
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    CNN reported that the prosecutor asked for an 8 day extension. It was misleading. Scubajap says we should only listen to AP reports, they will not print without official confirmation. FWIW
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:48 AM
    For a woman who has an obsessive need to know everything, it's hard to believe she's claiming ignorance and even continues to deny that GVC is the "infamous" blond, blue eyed Dutch boy .
    have you ever thought maybe they didn't talk about the BEDB (and told Beth to deny deny deny) because it was a plan by the people doing the case to help throw the BEDB off and make him get sloppy?
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:48 AM
    CNN reported that he was being detained 8 more days.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    Link? Confirmation? Has he been before a judge? Larry King live says not.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:49 AM
    IQ, someone posted earlier that the Magic radio station said the alumni pics were removed from the International school. That was all I read about the school part. CNN was reporting on the 8-day extension.
    Posted by: kat | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:49 AM
    I heard Julie Banderas state something close to that (never did catch it) and that she got it from the family one time. Never heard anyone from the family say it themselves. Meaningless info was from Faux news.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    Julie said she got the name Jaime Vasquez from the family.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:49 AM
    Do you have any hunches?
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    About who's doingn an investigation? No one as far as I can tell.
    Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM
    LOL, No I meant your comment......Whoever that bethanylauren is in the pics, I hope theyre questioning her if this guy is a suspect or knows something.
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:50 AM
    So you're saying theres no case against anybody and this is not a new lead?
    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:45 AM
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    That's what I believe. More smoke and mirrors. :(
    KJ has spent 11 months focused on Joran and totally dropped the ball. IMO, this latest earth shaking arrest is no different than what they tried to pull in August of last year when the re-arrested the Kalpoe and arrested Freddy Z.
    The courts turned them loose and KJ will wind up getting her a$$ sued by everyone. ;)
    BF

    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:50 AM
    Link? Confirmation? Has he been before a judge? Larry King live says not.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:49 AM
    People is reporting it too via CNN's reports..
    http://people.aol.com/people/articles/0,19736,1184147,00.html


    Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:51 AM
    per scuba...
    It would appear that it has already been decided to extend his incarceration for 8 days, CNN was probably informed as a courtesy, tomorrow will be a mere formality, but it would have been nice of them to inform the local media, if not first, at least at the same time, don't you think? I have a feeling more than one local editor will have something to say to the police about that.

    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    JQK is going on what he is told, getting 8 days arrest is not for witnesses but suspects
    Posted by: maria | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:04 PM
    According to Aruban law, he was brought in for questioning based on a suspicion that he is involved in some unlawful activity connected to NH's diappearance. After 6 hours of questioning, there was still suspicion...for another 48 hours. After 48 hours, there was still suspicion and he is being held for another 8 days.
    Posted by: MoonShadow | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:08 PM
    why do people who know better say things on this blog that are not true? we need to get serious. you can't be held unless the court approves it. petition has been made but the court has not approved the 8 day extension.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    Geoffrey appears in MANY vacationers online journals, or so it seems, He must be quite popular with the tourist gals. Comfortable around their parents too, since he is in photo's with their mothers, uncles etc.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:34 AM
    --------
    ruhroh-
    He worked at a watersports place.
    Posted by: PerryPeabody | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:53 AM
    no judge has ruled on the extension. the hearing is tomorrow. lets stick with the facts please.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:53 AM
    why do people who know better say things on this blog that are not true? we need to get serious. you can't be held unless the court approves it. petition has been made but the court has not approved the 8 day extension.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    There are some that are very serious here and then there are some that I think are here just for something to do. Seems weird to me. Why come here if you are not really interested in finding the truth???
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:54 AM
    why do people who know better say things on this blog that are not true? we need to get serious. you can't be held unless the court approves it. petition has been made but the court has not approved the 8 day extension.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    Iquitos, Arlene said on Larry King that the decision to hold for 8 days has been made. Tomorrow the judge of instruction will determine if everything was hunky dory concerning the procedures.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:55 AM
    the prosecutor has decide to keep him locked up but she has to get by a judge. why is that so hard to understand after all this time or is this some kind of game where facts are immaterial. courts detain pople beyond the initial period based on reasonable suspicion. prosecutors don't.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:55 AM
    when i left this afternoon somebody was saying there was a hearing today and the detention of gvc was extended 8 days. i now know this is not the case. why do people post stuff that is not true? the hearing is tomorrow and a judge will come over from curacao per cnn.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:44 AM
    Honest Cajun, I have told everything I know about this "arrest" already, any other questions are pointless. It would appear that it has already been decided to extend his incarceration for 8 days, CNN was probably informed as a courtesy, tomorrow will be a mere formality, but it would have been nice of them to inform the local media, if not first, at least at the same time, don't you think? I have a feeling more than one local editor will have something to say to the police about that.
    http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=816&forum_id=29&page=13
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:56 AM
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    I do have a word to say about this. I have heard too many times today about the Easter break and not even a paper for 4 days. Where is the competitiveness here? Crank up the presses. It's the biggest story of the year......step it up a notch. :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:56 AM
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:52 AM
    I do have a word to say about this. I have heard too many times today about the Easter break and not even a paper for 4 days. Where is the competitiveness here? Crank up the presses. It's the biggest story of the year......step it up a notch. :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:56 AM
    I find that hard to believe too after all they have been through. You would think they would get the paper out for this!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:57 AM
    All I can say is if there is a problem with what is being reported, blame the reporters, not those that quote the reporters. Julia, Arlene, CNN, MF, Scuba all say he has been extended for another 8 days. That's all I go by. Im not an expert in Dutch law, so have to go by what is being said by those on the island.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:59 AM
    JQK is going on what he is told, getting 8 days arrest is not for witnesses but suspects
    Posted by: maria | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:04 PM
    JQK he is an idiot glamour boy too. i just heard arlene say there has been no hearing and no judicial ruling on the matter of the GvC detention and the hearing is tomorrow. how can you have a decision before you present motion to a judge? paulus van der sloot was released at his first hearing. do i have to put arlene on my shit list too? now she is misleading the brainless media.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:59 AM
    Greta:
    GVC goes before the Judge tomorrow, what's going to happen?
    Chris:
    He's going to see the Judge of Instruction to see if the detention is legal. The prosecutor decides if he's held for 8 more days.
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:00 AM
    well we should know better than to beleive them and to listen carefully before we parrot them inaccurately. i heard what arlene said and she said there has been no hearing yet.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:00 AM
    I find that hard to believe too after all they have been through. You would think they would get the paper out for this!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:57 AM
    they're all hot on the bunny trail right now, maybe later ;)
    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:01 AM
    That's what I am trying to figure out. Who removed it and why?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:46 AM
    I know-very strange--Would like to know when also--Didn't Beth & Co look at that tape the first night (when they went back with the LE, Paulus etc?) So if it was removed someone had to do it before then, which would mean they had to know something. Speculating again I know (lowering head.)
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:02 AM
    if the prosecutor decides..maybe she has already decided?
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:02 AM
    27. Various phases of detention
    - Detention (“aanhouding”): detention for up to six (6) hours; followed by release or
    - Arrest/detention (“inverzekeringstelling”): per order of the prosecutor plus 2 X 48 hours
    - Examining-judge review of the procedural legality of the first 72 hours of detention
    - Detention (“bewaring”): extension of 8 days (so far total 10 days)
    - Detention (“gevangenhouding”): extensions and subsequent extensions, possibly leading up to the date of the trial
    28. During this phase the defense has remedies to file for suspension of detention and/or other injunctive measures
    29. Place of detention. First 10 days usually a police station, after that to the correction facility
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:02 AM
    Thanks IQ! A good idea to post that everyday to remind everyone.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:04 AM
    That's what I am trying to figure out. Who removed it and why?
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:46 AM
    I know-very strange--Would like to know when also--Didn't Beth & Co look at that tape the first night (when they went back with the LE, Paulus etc?) So if it was removed someone had to do it before then, which would mean they had to know something. Speculating again I know (lowering head.)
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:02 AM
    LOL - speculation is good as long as you state it! I do that too.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:05 AM
    Thanks IQ! A good idea to post that everyday to remind everyone.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:04 AM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    I must be a little dense here tonight as I'm missing something. What is the point???
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:05 AM
    I do have a word to say about this. I have heard too many times today about the Easter break and not even a paper for 4 days. Where is the competitiveness here? Crank up the presses. It's the biggest story of the year......step it up a notch. :>)
    Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday
    yeah, Aruba pisses and moans about their plight with this case and then take 4 days off with no news coverage......even when Holland has gone to all the trouble to do a MISSING PERSONS thing on the case, supposedly get 60 calls on it (I guess they don't get much media coverage from the States in Aruba - at least they've been saying that all through the months)....and then they shut off the faucets to the outside world for 4 days.

    I'm beginning to get the gist of Aruba. For any excuse, business stops and ceremonies go on. parades go on. Camping on the beach goes on. Anything but business.
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:07 AM
    I must be a little dense here tonight as I'm missing something. What is the point???
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:05 AM
    i think they are saying Arlene, Julia, Scuba, CNN etc are misreporting. GvC has NOT been detained for an additional 8 days.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:07 AM
    arubagirl went to the courthouse this afternoon and found it as dead as elvis. paulus was also up for extension until a judge looked at what they had and ordered his release after the 72 hour period or whatever it is. for me, these details matter.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:07 AM
    marcianate: to soak something in disinformation until it softens up to your point of view.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:08 AM
    if the prosecutor decides..maybe she has already decided?
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:02 AM
    Can this be any clearer:
    Arlene: The decision has already been made.
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:08 AM
    Thanks IQ! A good idea to post that everyday to remind everyone.
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:04 AM
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    I must be a little dense here tonight as I'm missing something. What is the point???
    BF
    Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:05 AM
    Because some that post here don't get it. Some I think just post anything for the hell of it...LOL
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:08 AM
    GVC pictures - He is quiet the ladies' man!
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=913
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:09 AM
    I'm beginning to get the gist of Aruba. For any excuse, business stops and ceremonies go on. parades go on. Camping on the beach goes on. Anything but business.
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:07 AM
    They have their traditions-we have ours.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:10 AM
    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=913

    Well, at least we know he has green eyes, not blue.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:11 AM
    I'm beginning to get the gist of Aruba. For any excuse, business stops and ceremonies go on. parades go on. Camping on the beach goes on. Anything but business.
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:07 AM
    It is a tourist location!
    Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:11 AM
    Listen to the arubans. Don't let your brain be maricanated
    "Has this been confirmed anywhere? Aruba has been on Easter break since the arrest. Is this in the same statement as GVC allegedly attending the Internationl School of Aruba, with Joran?"
    Posted by: pathenry | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    "I just got off the phone with the AP reporter and everything that is being said on TV has no substantiation, including the security company having access to the tapes as the HI is NOT on their client list. Marriott, The Grande and the Bucuti use their services, but NOT the HI.
    So really, I suggest everyone calm down, ignore the TV and rely on the AP reports for facts, as they will not release ANYTHING without authorized confirmation. All the rest is speculation. Even the CNN report, as he has not gone before the judge of instruction as yet, they have probably only been reassured that GvC will most likely be held for another 8 days, but until tomorrow, it is not a fact as yet."
    Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 08:12 PM
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:15 AM
    then why, at 10:00, did scuba say....
    scubajap
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    cajun wrote:
    Scuba, do you know if it's true that this boy was being questioned about another complaint brought against him and he's the one that mentioned Natalee's name to ALE?
    Honest Cajun, I have told everything I know about this "arrest" already, any other questions are pointless. It would appear that it has already been decided to extend his incarceration for 8 days, CNN was probably informed as a courtesy, tomorrow will be a mere formality, but it would have been nice of them to inform the local media, if not first, at least at the same time, don't you think? I have a feeling more than one local editor will have something to say to the police about that.


    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:21 AM
    Who knows this?
    Was GVC actually still working for the visibility team when Natalee went missing? All these webshots are of him as part of "staff" for a parasailing outfit.
    When was he let go from the visibiity team?
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:22 AM
    Was GVC actually still working for the visibility team when Natalee went missing? All these webshots are of him as part of "staff" for a parasailing outfit.
    When was he let go from the visibiity team?
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:22 AM
    Have no idea. I thought he looked older in the photo's they had of him on the news today. he looks very young in these webshots, but they seem to be dated within the last year, so couldnt be that young I guess.
    Posted by: ruhroh | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:25 AM
    Was GVC actually still working for the visibility team when Natalee went missing? All these webshots are of him as part of "staff" for a parasailing outfit.
    When was he let go from the visibiity team?
    Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:22 AM
    Didn't Joe T. say they knew he (GVC) was working that night? Maybe he worked two jobs, maybe they were both part time.....who would know?

    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:27 AM
    Didn't Joe T. say they knew he (GVC) was working that night? Maybe he worked two jobs, maybe they were both part time.....who would know?

    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:27 AM
    Yes he did this AM, but if what Scuba has stated I do not know if it is accurate.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:29 AM
    Yes he did this AM, but if what Scuba has stated I do not know if it is accurate.
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:29 AM
    Sorry for the typo---But if what Scuba has stated is correct, then I do not know if it is accurate.

    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:31 AM
    how can you decide something that requires judicial approval before you have a hearing before a judge? i am sure janssen "decided" to keep Paulus beyong the intial few days but the court thought otherwise. as i understand it the cops get like 6 hours before they get permission from the prosecutor who can hold for like 48 or 72 before she has to go to a judge. janssen decided to keep joran longer the last time around and she was shot down at the first instance and on appeal. judges have a way of ruining your day sometimes. so when i hear that a named judge has approved the continuation of the detention of GvC for another 8 days with a bill of particulars stating the grounds of suspicion, then i will buy it.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:35 AM
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:31 AM
    Maybe someone (Scuba, Maria) can get this info confirmed then.

    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:35 AM
    Maybe someone (Scuba, Maria) can get this info confirmed then.

    Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:35 AM
    Not going to believe anything unless it comes from LE--then i'll think about that info--think I might change my name to DoubtingTom
    Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:41 AM
    night all. see you after the hearing tomorrw when we will at least know on suspicion of what the kid is being held, if he is helf at all. initially, they said he was not working VT when natalee disappeared. where did he go to school? hard to see how he would not know joran.
    Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:50 AM
    So really, I suggest everyone calm down, ignore the TV and rely on the AP reports for facts, as they will not release ANYTHING without authorized confirmation.
    xxx
    =========
    oh yeah (smiling as I remember the night AP reported "there has been a confession and someone is taking the police to the body")...
    I guess AP is double and triple checking now????????????????
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:56 AM
    I guess GVC was working for his Dad's company when he "lost" his shirt on the south side of the island (and his shirt has his initials in it and his dad's company initials on the outside of it) .....how long as he been wearing his dad's company's work shirts I wonder?
    And did anybody remember the refinery discussion from many moons ago?
    Posted by: ustt | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:58 AM
    testing.....
    Posted by: danie | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 02:45 AM
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    April 19, 2006 6:25 AM
    before i go: pat read this. http://justicefornataleeholloway.blogspot.com/

    Posted by: iquitos | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:36 AM

    I've been busy for the last 2 1/2 weeks visiting with my brother.....
    anyways..... we got to talking... and I showed a pic of the soul beach concert...
    we're wondering if any of the fella's in those two pics are of GVC...

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:44 AM

    I've been busy for the last 2 1/2 weeks visiting with my brother.....
    anyways..... we got to talking... and I showed a pic of the soul beach concert...
    we're wondering if any of the fella's in those two pics are of GVC...

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:44 AM


    Hello Anchor, are you in or have ever been in the Navy? Just asking because of your screen name.

    Posted by: Mike Torello | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:50 AM

    trying the 'reading backwards trick'.......
    Hey has anybody ever explained what GMAB and GMAFB means?

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:51 AM

    no Mike..... Anchor.... well... I chose that name because I felt like my
    own Anchor of stability after I was BeFuddled.....
    My 'other half' is a jarhead though... :))

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:54 AM

    trying the 'reading backwards trick'.......
    Hey has anybody ever explained what GMAB and GMAFB means?

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:51 AM


    Give Me A Break

    Give Me A F'ing Break

    Posted by: Mike Torello | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:58 AM

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:51 AM

    GMAB= Give Me A Break


    The F adds emphasis, if you know what I mean. :>)

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:59 AM

    Well.... much appreciation for your explanation of that Mike....
    I could lie and say this....
    ......I knew what it meant, but my viewing partner didn't believe me......
    Or, I could tell the truth and say I have been stumped over that for months.
    :(
    Thank you.

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:00 AM

    My 'other half' is a jarhead though... :))

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:54 AM



    Semper Fi!

    Is he serving now?

    Posted by: Mike Torello | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:00 AM


    before i go: pat read this. http://justicefornataleeholloway.blogspot.com/

    Posted by: iquitos | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:36 AM

    Rah rah seedyrum.

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:03 AM

    No....
    His last tour was a year in the Med. Sea..........
    Once a jarhead always a jarhead...
    Damn, he drives me batty with his 'forever instilled' behavior.....
    He was a weapons expert.......and he still blows shhhtuff up all the time.

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:03 AM

    Hi *Honey*.....
    Hope you are well....
    Haven't talked to you lately...
    Stay true... I've no reason to remind you of truth...
    you always do.... :)

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:04 AM

    before i go: pat read this. http://justicefornataleeholloway.blogspot.com/
    Posted by: iquitos | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:36 AM
    Rah rah seedyrum.
    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:03 AM

    Is that an urn????

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:08 AM

    Posted by: iquitos | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:36 AM

    Thank you iquitos. Sprite is back in business and I'm public enemy number one? I glad that the skeeterization quote was used.

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:08 AM

    hi all....anchor good to see you!!!!

    Mike Torello...nice to meet you; bit of unsolicited advice??? after numerous *discussions* with Honey.....she personally advised me to tell her *bite me*(right Honey???)...especially when she is in one of her ascerbic moods...which is pretty much all the time!!!!! LOL...oops, she doesn't much care for excessive punctuation or *LOL*....but that's Honey!!!!!! and she can be very funny.....now that i have incurred her wrath.....you may continue......LMAO......

    Posted by: danie | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:36 AM

    danie!!!!!!!
    more doggy licks???

    SLURP!!!!!!!!
    Luv U!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:40 AM

    Attorney for GCV is Homan?

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:41 AM


    before i go: pat read this. http://justicefornataleeholloway.blogspot.com/
    Posted by: iquitos | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 01:36 AM
    Rah rah seedyrum.
    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:03 AM

    Is that an urn????

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:08 AM

    Is what an urn?

    -----------------
    Thank you iquitos. Sprite is back in business and I'm public enemy number one?

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:08 AM

    Congratulations. Your Natalee Holloway Hater Award
    statuette is in the mail.

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:44 AM

    On the site I referenced *Honey*......
    It appears to be an urn....
    I'm not experienced in that dept.....
    ....and curious as to why there's an urn...
    that's all.... quite simply innocent...

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:50 AM

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:44 AM

    What am I going to do with a bible? I'm a "heathen", dontcha know?


    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:52 AM

    I think it is a Genie in A Bottle..............

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:54 AM

    This is a "story" I haven't heard before...note not an AP report:
    ---------

    BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- With so many rumors and theories coming out of Aruba, including one that places Natalee Holloway and Gottfried Van Cromvoirt near each other the night Holloway disappeared, Holloway's parents spoke out on Tuesday to try to clarify the specifics.

    Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, has hired an attorney to help the family try to separate fact from rumor after almost 11 months of trying to unravel the mystery of her disappearance.

    Dave Holloway said facts are still rare, especially concerning 19-year-old Van Cromvoirt.

    "Down there, they don't really tell you a lot," Holloway said. "Because they don't want it out. It's kind of frustrating."

    Holloway does not know if Van Cromvoirt is being held because he is actually involved in Natalee's disappearance or because he just might have information about who was involved.

    "We heard rumors (Tuesday) there may be some other arrests," Holloway said.

    One theory about Van Cromvoirt's involvement comes from reports that Joran van der Sloot told police that as he, Natalee and the Kalpoe brothers drove away from Carlos and Charlie's the night she vanished, they pulled alongside another car and drove side-by-side for a distance with the people in the vehicles talking back and forth. The people in the second vehicle have never been identified.

    Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, said she is hearing another story.
    (snip)
    http://www.nbc13.com/news/8812386/detail.html

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:10 AM

    pat - remember a while back.... I reported that DH hired a PI....
    I wonder if this report is in direct reference to that.....

    Just a thought.... I may very well be way off on trying to correlate
    your 'hired an attorney' to my info of 'hired a pi'.....
    What is the publish date on that article?

    It's late... I should get some sleep....


    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:16 AM

    edit****
    should be a double line between....
    your 'hired.....
    and
    What is the publish.....

    Sorry.... two completely separate thoughts.....no correlation

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:18 AM

    Holloway's Parents Respond To Van Cromvoirt Arrest
    Dave Holloway, Beth Twitty Wait For Judicial System's Next Step

    POSTED: 10:45 pm CDT April 18, 2006
    UPDATED: 1:17 am CDT April 19, 2006

    _____________________

    I would think that JQK would provide him with the same information that he provides to Beth, since he(his firm) is representing both of them in the civil case. Wonder why he doesn't use BenVinda for Aruban information any longer? Or if that is who he has hired. I don't know.

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:26 AM


    On the site I referenced *Honey*......
    It appears to be an urn....
    I'm not experienced in that dept.....
    ....and curious as to why there's an urn...
    that's all.... quite simply innocent...

    Posted by: Anchor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:50 AM

    Oh, that. It's a cut glass decanter.

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:48 AM

    Posted by: ustt | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 12:26 AM

    Why in the hell does a campaign need to know what a voter "likes".....what party did you work for?

    Posted by: pathenry

    if it matters (gosh I'm sleepy)...it was the Republican Execu Committee office of GA in the gov campaign and we also had local candidates for State Rep and State Sen.
    These people like to appear to "know" their constituents as they are glad-handing them, especially the big contributors, lots of ego-stroking going on ya know (when will the public learn these guys are faking it?) oh well, that's where and why.

    Posted by: ustt | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:51 AM


    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:44 AM

    What am I going to do with a bible? I'm a "heathen", dontcha know?

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 02:52 AM

    It's not a bible, silly. It's a genuine plastic statuette of Beth seated in a manger with baby Natalee in her arms. It's hollow so it can be used as a lovely inspirational nightlight (bulb not included).

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:52 AM

    Posted by: Honey | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 03:52 AM

    LMAO.....Sounds kitschy, I love it. I have an extra blue bulb from my Virgin Mary night light. Or maybe I'll try a soft pink bulb to illuminate my Jackie O. in pink wool suit bobblehead.
    Goodnight, Funny Honey. :>)

    Posted by: pathenry | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 04:26 AM

    Hi pathenry,

    It's nice to see you. Your stitches came out okay, I take it. One of my co-workers went in for some routine dental work a week ago, and they had to do an emergency root canal. He came back to work yesterday morning with bruises all over the right side of his face and a black eye. He said his wife did it because of the laundry.

    Tec

    Posted by: TecatoGusano | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 05:08 AM

    Hi everyone,

    If this recent arrest leads to the case being solved, what happens to us? Is there going to be an after-party? I came here to follow along and hopefully make some friends, though only one of you has written to me so far. Maybe I joined too late to make friends, if the case is solved soon.

    Friends or not, I hope that Ms. Holloway is found, alive and happy, soon.

    Tec

    Posted by: TecatoGusano | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 05:37 AM

    Tec...don't take it personally that people don't respond directly to you...I think its because they aren't here when you are here most of the time.

    Posted by: Linda in L.A. | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 06:56 AM

    I've been wondering why so many have mentioned that GvC has been crying? I would think that would be normal no??? I was actually surprised that Joran wasn't more emotional when arrested...but figured it was possibly because he might have known more about the legal system from his dad's position.

    At that age (geeez...even at my age) I would be freaked if I was in either of their shoes, innocent or guilty.

    Posted by: Linda in L.A. | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 06:58 AM

    Hi Linda in L.A.,

    It's nice to meet you. Thanks for your note. I have noticed that not a lot of people post while I am here, too. There's not much I can do about that, though.

    In your following post you talked about crying. I have to say that I would certainly be crying if I were arrested, whether I was guilty of anything or not. It's got to be a frightful ordeal to go through, unless one is used to that sort of thing.

    Tec

    Posted by: TecatoGusano | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:04 AM

    Good morning you two...

    Like I may have responsed to Linda before when she first came here...welcome...also stated that come like a gladiator entering the coloseium otherwise the lions will getcha...hehehe

    Posted by: pea38 | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:08 AM

    Hi pea38,

    It's nice to meet you. Thank you for the welcome, and the warning. Everyone has seemed pretty nice to me so far. If the lions do get me, at least you'll have well fed lions. For a day or so.

    Tec

    Posted by: TecatoGusano | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:11 AM

    Good Morning everyone,

    What's the matter with the lions? This blog looks very quite and safe this morning (afternoon for me). I just see a worm, a pea and Linda who seems a real lady to me. So where is the danger?

    Posted by: Loesje | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:18 AM

    the new developments in the case may lead to a resolution to the case. What will happen to this thread...good question...Dans blog is bigger than just this test blog. I am sure there are other blogs that offer the same thing. Will people be happy with the outcome of this case..I think the answer will be no for some...maybe for others...and yes for a few. For me...I don't know which category I fall in. Whether I blog after this case is over is a big IF.

    Posted by: pea38 | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:19 AM

    Whether I blog after this case is over is a big IF.

    Posted by: pea38 | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:19 AM

    It is quite addictive isn't it? Sometimes I feel it's a waste of time but on the other hand I learned a lot and these blogs gave me something for reflection.

    I do hope this case is over soon but no matter the outcome, it will not make me happy. Because this is a tragedy for so many people involved.
    My expectation is this thread will stop very soon after the case is solved. Don't know when that will be....

    Posted by: Loesje | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:37 AM

    Good Morning everyone!! On Dan's front page someone said they'd seen pcitures of GVC and Joran together, is that true? What have I missed?

    Posted by: lookin4info | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:56 AM

    lookin4info:

    All I know is what I have read here.

    GvC is detained for 8 days on suspicion of murder and drug related charges Whether this is actually true or conjecture...who knows.

    I feel that there may be an effort to tie in GvC with Joran and company..But then it may turn out that way...whether it ties into the case somehow again is conjecture.

    We may be looking at something totally separate of the current case surrounding Joran and the two brothers.

    I have ran out of all my jumping to conclusions long ago...Will wait for the ALE to come forth with the info...whenever that may be.

    Posted by: pea38 | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 08:13 AM

    pea38, I just really believe Joran and J2k were out of the loop about what happened to Natalee after they last saw her. That's why they were never "broken" by ALE while they were in jail. I know one thing, if this case does get solved and J2K didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance, I sure hope they all sue the stuffing and $$$ out of ALE and HMI!!

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